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deviantART Allowing Porn?

Journal Entry: Wed Jul 29, 2009, 9:50 AM


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The official definition of “ pornography ” has been modified at several points over the lifetime of deviantART, I know this because I'm the guy who does it each time, and it is done in an attempt to bring greater clarity in the wording used. The publicly posted definition needs to get the point across without delving into a lot of excessive detail, it's a FAQ entry which needs to be simple and easy to read and not a set of stereo instructions but in being somewhat easy in its language portions of the community not only have had a tendency to be confused on the exact definition but also expand upon what's written to include things which fit their own personal viewpoints, not to mention reports coming from people who don't even know an official definition exists.

The official policy for deviantART prohibits the submission of pornographic works. Just about everyone except for some of the people submitting the porn agrees that this policy is required but we get a wide range of people with an equally wide range of what they think is pornography.

This misunderstanding leads to a lot of reports being marked as invalid due to the deviation not being officially considered to be pornography.

Just to give you an idea of exactly how many; last week the number was about a thousand reports, give or take a couple of hundred. The overall ratio is absurdly high.

I've seen photographs of swimsuit models reported as pornography, pictures of people kissing, photos of same sex couples hugging, nude people just standing there, all sorts of subjects and themes reported which seem just darn crazy until you factor in that we have people from all sorts of cultures and that those cultures have a lot of their own taboos and social rules- and that is before you consider all the individual viewpoints, religious viewpoints and so forth.

With all these different factors and influences it is impossible to drawn the line of policy in an area which will please everyone. Draw it too far to the right and you get accused of undue censorship and the removal of valid artistic works, too far to the left and you get accused of allowing pornography.

No matter the official stance dissatisfaction is going to happen and that dissatisfaction tends to lead to some community members into maligning the staff or speculating that deviantART policies are not actually enforced or not enforced consistently.

I've lost track of how many times I've seen people accuse "staff" of not understanding the rules. I've stopped being offended at those types of statements; the people making them simply don't realize that the "staff" they are busy accusing of ignorance is me and my team and they obviously don't know that I am the person who has crafted those original policies nor that I've been personally involved in every modification as well as the training of everyone who has to enforce those policies or that those people enforcing the policies can get a near instant response from me if they need some sort of clarification.

So rest assured that the staff fully understands each policy; if anyone is confused it's the person claiming that they understand the policy better than the staff employed to enforce it.

The dissatisfaction over the resolution of certain reports isn't anything new; people have been making the same mistakes for years but recently we've been seeing more disinformation being put out into the community than usual; things like claims that the rules don't really apply, the staff are stupid, people with subscriptions get exempted, and so on.

To help counter this I've addressed the situation in the news so hopefully that will help diffuse the rumors for a few months until someone new pops up to make the same claims all over again.

I'll be devoting some of my time this week to addressing any concerns so if anyone needs further clarification they can be directed to this journal where I can reply to anyone who can manage to act like a civilized human being.

So whether you are happy or unhappy with the way things stand, the clarifying information is out there.



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Pwney Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It would be great if you guys had a poll to decide what the community thinks should be labeled pornographic and what shouldn't be. 

Lol jk you guys don't care :^)
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Hopedrop Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Either it isn't here or I'm being ignorant, but:

What about the 'Reader Inserts' where it's literature on the theme, sex? For example, the reader (most typically, not trying to be sexist but, a female) would be in the story, and have sexual activity with a fiction character, most likely anime/manga. Does that count as porn, or no?
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glaceon-rules Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
It is said inFAQ #554: Is my deviation Mature Content? that naked breasts are considered nudity. [link] has naked breasts. I reporded it as needing a mature tag. The admin said it's not mature. Do you consider fur to be clothing or something?
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realitysquared Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
That's an example of what we call "Bugs Bunny nudity"- like the old Looney Tunes characters she's "naked" without really being nude. There's no need for a tag there.
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glaceon-rules Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
Okay then.
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PGMD Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009
You should the 'Show' community what Deviant Art considers to be of Pornographic nature. Because people still don't get what you mean by ';porn'.
Yaay for free Porn. Thanks Da.
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Darth-Frank Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009   Digital Artist
It seems the only people who have a problem with this are the people who are to lazy or cheap to go to a site specifically for this material. Oh yeah, there is also the egotistical artists who, like small children, only do things because their told not to, and they don't really want to make art, they just want to break the rules because they don't get to make them.
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bigjim369 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2009
IMHO you're doing as well as possible at navigating the vast and stormy ocean of hatred that separates "Prude" from "Perv". You may be called every pejorative name in the dictionary, but a web site such as DA cannot continue to exist without you. At least go home every night knowing you did your best and if your efforts are not entirely successful, knowing you failed in a great and worthy attempt. Thank you for doing a thankless job.
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RavingEagle Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2009
Glad this was shown to me. The version of FAQ # 565 that is posted has been what I have been going by. Rules should be applied to all, not subject for interpretation. I have reported a photo and found out that several others also reported, and they all have come back as invalid. [link] The preceding link is in direct violation of the FAQ you have stated you maintain, so why is it still up? I have seen several comments on this journal about what the community interpretation is, maybe the comments about the community wanting stricter standards are true and maybe what is needed. There are plenty of sites that these works can be posted on, but fewer place for the rest of the community to go. In my opinion what is this place going to end up, we had a DD that was nothing more then ad for the photographers porn site. The ones who rave that the stuff is great are here because unlike other sites they want to go to, it is free.
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anniefelis Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2009
If this is so, then why do reports of underaged nudity and bondage come back as "invalid"? I thought a line was drawn here.
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