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deviantART Allowing Porn?

Journal Entry: Wed Jul 29, 2009, 9:50 AM


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The official definition of “ pornography ” has been modified at several points over the lifetime of deviantART, I know this because I'm the guy who does it each time, and it is done in an attempt to bring greater clarity in the wording used. The publicly posted definition needs to get the point across without delving into a lot of excessive detail, it's a FAQ entry which needs to be simple and easy to read and not a set of stereo instructions but in being somewhat easy in its language portions of the community not only have had a tendency to be confused on the exact definition but also expand upon what's written to include things which fit their own personal viewpoints, not to mention reports coming from people who don't even know an official definition exists.

The official policy for deviantART prohibits the submission of pornographic works. Just about everyone except for some of the people submitting the porn agrees that this policy is required but we get a wide range of people with an equally wide range of what they think is pornography.

This misunderstanding leads to a lot of reports being marked as invalid due to the deviation not being officially considered to be pornography.

Just to give you an idea of exactly how many; last week the number was about a thousand reports, give or take a couple of hundred. The overall ratio is absurdly high.

I've seen photographs of swimsuit models reported as pornography, pictures of people kissing, photos of same sex couples hugging, nude people just standing there, all sorts of subjects and themes reported which seem just darn crazy until you factor in that we have people from all sorts of cultures and that those cultures have a lot of their own taboos and social rules- and that is before you consider all the individual viewpoints, religious viewpoints and so forth.

With all these different factors and influences it is impossible to drawn the line of policy in an area which will please everyone. Draw it too far to the right and you get accused of undue censorship and the removal of valid artistic works, too far to the left and you get accused of allowing pornography.

No matter the official stance dissatisfaction is going to happen and that dissatisfaction tends to lead to some community members into maligning the staff or speculating that deviantART policies are not actually enforced or not enforced consistently.

I've lost track of how many times I've seen people accuse "staff" of not understanding the rules. I've stopped being offended at those types of statements; the people making them simply don't realize that the "staff" they are busy accusing of ignorance is me and my team and they obviously don't know that I am the person who has crafted those original policies nor that I've been personally involved in every modification as well as the training of everyone who has to enforce those policies or that those people enforcing the policies can get a near instant response from me if they need some sort of clarification.

So rest assured that the staff fully understands each policy; if anyone is confused it's the person claiming that they understand the policy better than the staff employed to enforce it.

The dissatisfaction over the resolution of certain reports isn't anything new; people have been making the same mistakes for years but recently we've been seeing more disinformation being put out into the community than usual; things like claims that the rules don't really apply, the staff are stupid, people with subscriptions get exempted, and so on.

To help counter this I've addressed the situation in the news so hopefully that will help diffuse the rumors for a few months until someone new pops up to make the same claims all over again.

I'll be devoting some of my time this week to addressing any concerns so if anyone needs further clarification they can be directed to this journal where I can reply to anyone who can manage to act like a civilized human being.

So whether you are happy or unhappy with the way things stand, the clarifying information is out there.



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Pwney Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It would be great if you guys had a poll to decide what the community thinks should be labeled pornographic and what shouldn't be. 

Lol jk you guys don't care :^)
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Hopedrop Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Either it isn't here or I'm being ignorant, but:

What about the 'Reader Inserts' where it's literature on the theme, sex? For example, the reader (most typically, not trying to be sexist but, a female) would be in the story, and have sexual activity with a fiction character, most likely anime/manga. Does that count as porn, or no?
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TonyStarks-Girl Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I know this comment is old, but I felt the need to respond. I recently had a "lemon" removed, yet all I see when I log onto dA is naked women, and nothing happen to those people. The correct labels and everything are there, yet they still removed my story. And it was a Reader Insert too, so there's your answer in case you never got one.
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Hopedrop Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As a fellow fanfic writer of the dreaded reader-inserts, I entirely understand this outlook. :XD: But nonetheless, it's pretty unjust to compare reader-insert lemons to erotica/porn/etc, because the latter is a pretty massive topic.
Generally put, reader-inserts that focus on sex (lemon/lime/smut) are some form of fanservice, to satisfy a sexual craving between the said loved character and the reader.
Naked women artwork (and men too of course) can be slid between, like, two categories. A professional point of view and a somewhat immature view. I mean like unlifelike artwork that is drawn to to spark merely sexual behavior, that sort of thing. Like incredibly busty ladies, or men in lewd positions.
Not a "bad" thing necessarily, but I think you get the point.
Er, I'm honestly just saying "professionalism" because I'm not sure how else to describe it. It's basically, you know, erotica with an sexual appeal, but there's much more depth in the artwork than can be just visualized. It has to be felt, you know? In the quality, atmosphere, etc.

Anyway, that's my view. I'd love to hear from your perspective if you have more input on this. :^)
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TonyStarks-Girl Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I understand that on those particular pieces, but I'm mainly referring to pictures of a guys junk or a woman doing something sexy in a bathtub. I've seen the artistic pieces and I don't mind those at all, quite a few have actually told a story to me. I understand stand my lemons are there for that purpose of imagination and all, but people can do the same in a picture and label it "Artistic Nude" and it's perfectly okay as long as they slap a mature content tag on it, and there's nothing artistic about a picture of nothing but a guy's junk, in my opinion.

But I'm over it, I have another place where I can put them too. :)
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Hopedrop Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, I see! Thanks for clearing it up a little more. :^)
I guess dA's allowing any sort of art if it's like, "If it's visually appealing enough, it's in," without much thought, really, haha.
But perhaps they (as in art-blockers and all) think of it like lemons are literally describing everything going on in a sex scene, which, I guess, equals watching porn all the same? While a flat visual of something erotic is different...?

I'm not very sure, but I am quite sure that in the deviantART rules it notes they don't allow any sexual penetration. :XD: Not sure if literature is exempt from said rule, but maybe that's why.

Yes, backing up artwork is very smart thing to do!
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TonyStarks-Girl Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I just don't really care at this point. If they remove it, it'll stay removed but will be on AO3 as well. :) Just some equality on what makes it in different types of art is what I'm asking for since one of the reasons my lemon was taken down was nudity.
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glaceon-rules Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
It is said inFAQ #554: Is my deviation Mature Content? that naked breasts are considered nudity. [link] has naked breasts. I reporded it as needing a mature tag. The admin said it's not mature. Do you consider fur to be clothing or something?
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realitysquared Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
That's an example of what we call "Bugs Bunny nudity"- like the old Looney Tunes characters she's "naked" without really being nude. There's no need for a tag there.
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glaceon-rules Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
Okay then.
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