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Help Shape Policy For Favorites Cheating

Journal Entry: Thu Sep 3, 2009, 12:36 PM


Favorites Cheating:
Help Shape Policy

It was quite a number of years ago that deviantART introduced :+fav: Favorites and then of course recently that was augmented with Collections.

Now as long as Favorites have been around there have been people trying to exploit them, cheat their way onto the Most Popular listing and make a quick grab at prestige and the easy road to collecting more of those pageviews so many of you treat as the most important reason for being here.

Favorites cheating isn't as common, or as easy, as it used to be.

In the old days "Popuarity" was simply a matter of counting how many Favorites a deviation had so it was a guarantee that if you pumped out a couple of hundred accounts you never intended on ever really using and used them to flood Favorites onto your own deviation you'd be assured a spot on the daily top listing.

Nowadays Most Popular isn't just as simple as counting :+fav: Favorites; it's a whole complex formula which weighs a bunch of different factors.

This formula is why the daily listings aren't constantly locked up by the same people over and over and it's why insanely popular things which people pour buckets of Favorites on automatically and without thought don't dominate any more.

So the old grind of logging in, browsing, Favoriting, logging out, ad nauseum to a hundred accounts in an attempt to crack the Most Popular list isn't a guaranteed shoe-in anymore but some people are still willing to give it a go and try.

Every three months or so we get a red flag that directs us to someone who wanted more attention or more prestige and who decided the best path was cheating.

The staff here have a large amount of experience investigating cases involving cheating and a good number of community minded individuals out there also notice when it's happening as well so nobody gets away with it for very long.

Ultimately the Favorites system is based upon an honor system which allows works to rise and fall in the rankings based on legitimately granted Favorites and when someone does get caught manipulating the system for personal attention and prestige not only are they cheating and violating our policies against exploiting the system but they are also violating the trust which we place in everyone that you will be a responsible member of the community.

When you demonstrate that you are not here to share in the creative spirit of the community but rather that you are here to seek attention and are willing to do whatever it takes to obtain that attention regardless of whether or not you need to cheat and exploit our systems to get it you can expect to get yourself banned.

So getting yourself banned for some period of time is pretty standard, but what we'd like is some community input on what to do with the deviations and/or entire gallery of the person who just got banned for manipulating the system.

We think that community input is important because ultimately people cheating in this way are betraying the community and I want to give everyone a chance to voice what should be done with the works involved.

I have a Poll here realitysquared.deviantart.com/… which will be up until 18 September 2009

Vote, give input, pass it around to your friends and give us a sampling of what your opinion is on how we should handle the rare occasion of a deviation cheating it's way into the most popular list.

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PowFlip Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010
I don't really see why it should matter. But I didn't even know there was a "most popular" list...
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SparkStudios Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2009  Student General Artist
A far worse problem is people adding excessive numbers of people to their watch list to inflate page views when they have no intention of taking an interest in the people they watch at all. It's insulting to the artist being "watched". At least the people who fav grind for pageviews are "contributing" something to the artists they are getting pageviews from.
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wacth thousands of people. and I go through every few days and chew through all the deviations, and will probably never get through them all.

SO appearances can be deceiving, somepeople (like me) are just pack rats.
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disscordia Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
I have been concerned about this sort of unfair play in the past. I am glad to see some of the steps DA has taken for countering it.
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Darth-Frank Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009   Digital Artist
You know, this wouldn't be a problem if dA didn't support popularity at all. Being noticed is all good and dandy, but anyone wanting any credible art attention isn't going to get it through dA. You aren't going to be hired because you were the most popular deviant for a time (unless you have some 1337 skillz, but if you do, then you don't need dA to prove it). I don't want you to think I don't respect dA, but its hard to sit back and see people asking how to stop fav cheating when all you have to do is take the fav function away. It's pointless.
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Kumiko-Art Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
As :iconmayoofka: commented, we found the deviant who created lots of fake accounts to vote for herself to win the contest.
Here is how we found her cheating...
I have seen few of her fake accounts in my "Visitors lists" on my front page. She visited me from one of her fake accounts. When I visited the deviant pages in my visitors list, I found that the deviant just joined today and the page is empty except for the faves that are only her deviations. 
So, I sent the links to mayoofka and she investigated her and she found more of her fake accounts that faving only her own deviations and voted for herself. Very sad!!! We reported it to the Help desk and all her fake accounts were banned next day.

I couldn't believe that until seeing a deviant who is actually doing that kind of thing, which is pointless. This is very disappointing...

Thank you for all your hard work on DA and helping us.
We really appreciate your assistance. :aww:
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Chrisordie Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2009  Student Artist
I blame MySpace.

Though is seriousness I am surprised people take the 'Most Popular' thing seriously, I mean sure it feels good on your ego but what else is it good for?

Sure If you're selling prints it can help boost your sales, but if the image was worth the effort then it wouldn't need such jiggery-pokery.
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mayoofka Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2009
I'd like present another issue about cheating favorites...
I had tough problem with kind a ''favorites cheating'' :(

Let me explain: Right away I'm running ''beloved animal contest'' [link] One of contest's part is a poll started on Sat 10th (2009.10.10.) [link] for the best entry that will be closed this Sat 17th (2009.10.17). With friend's help :iconkumiko-art: I have discovered one of the deviants whose entry is in the poll :iconmkxkawaiix3: has created lots of fake accounts to vote itself:
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All accounts were created on 10th or after this date and that might be a proof it's for win and stay with the prize illegally :(
Kumiko-Art reported immediately the cheater to :icony2jenn: and today she has banned all fake accounts... thank you so much :clap:
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CarrotStalker Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2009
How about those people who've added their own stuff to their own favourites (on the same account)? I didn't think that was possible but I've seen cases like that (not sure if the fav would actually show up in the deviation or if it's just like having a collection with your own work in you favs though).
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StarbucksDream Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2009
correction:
It is based on how many friends one has within dA's inner circle.*
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