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Constructive Critique

Journal Entry: Wed Mar 26, 2008, 1:23 PM


Can you handle it?


I don't actually know if I've ever spoken about my opinion on the state of the constructive critique around here within recent memory, or indeed if I have ever spoken about it at all publicly.

I'm in a position here to see a lot of reaction from people, both in giving and receiving what is commonly labeled "critique"

Sadly, a vast bulk of it amounts to little more than vapid congratulatory comments plastered over everything from crudely drawn scribbles to jaw-dropping professional artwork and the mind numbing sameness of it seems to have an affect on some people.

I actually saw an image the other day which simultaneously demonstrates two distinct but related versions of this exact affect;





Now the first version of the mild altering affect of vapid, meaningless, constant praise it that someone out there just suddenly snaps and decides that since so much mindless praise is heaped upon every single submissions regardless of how crudely it may have been rendered  that it simply must be their destiny to be The One Who Gives Brutally Honest Critiques.

Of course we, the lesser bystanders, cannot understand this Duty they must preform and because of our lesser station and lesser understanding of their Destiny we of course mistake their Brutally Honest Critique as a campaign of deliberately insulting amateur artists; we should be forgiven for failing to understand how calling somebody's crude Sonic the Hedgehog fan art "garbage" and how telling them to throw their art supplies under the next bus is actually a Service To Mankind.

Seriously though it is amazing how many times I've seen a blatant campaign to insult "bad artwork" passed off as "critiquing".

Now the other reaction which is cultivated by a steady diet of mindless praise, which is equally ridiculous, are those people who cannot actually accept a piece of valid constructive feedback.

Someone who gently suggests that your anime character's head is the size and shape of a misshapen grapefruit, that you should try drawing the breasts smaller than a pair of volkswagons, or that you might actually want to familiarize yourself with human anatomy and muscle structure and maybe practice a hell of a lot more is not harassing you.

I swear if I see one more valid opinion or piece of constructive criticism called "harassment" I'll have to stick my arm through the Internet and smack somebody.

Yes; it's your Art and you obviously have a huge amount of personal feelings invested in it and nobody likes it when somebody tells you that you just aren't very good but at least try to realize that maybe it's true, maybe just a little bit?

Now I know neither of these situations happen all the time, but I really wish they wouldn't happen at all.

On the one hand we have people who just lose it and decide to attack people and on the other hand we have people who collapse into whineybabies the moment somebody tells them they could use some more practice.

Granted, we have precious few people who are actually qualified to give an actual Advanced Critique but we have a ton of people who are qualified to render a valid opinion or give useful advice or even just a simple idea or suggestion; I just wish more of you would actually do it.

Now, I should be the last one to talk because I really can't remember the last time I actually left a comment, let alone an actual opinion or critique on anything around here but I really think that the ability to leave a comment and effect someone's course and development as an artist, and to be able to receive that comment, is a vastly underused resource around here.

I understand that maybe some of you don't want to hurt the feelings of an artist by being more honest, or that maybe you don't feel qualified to speak, or even maybe that you don't know any better.

I'm a big advocate for stating your honest opinion; not everything is fantastic or great or phenomenal. The fact is that a lot of stuff that is submitted here is just average or even below average and you don't do anybody any good by suggesting that an 'average' piece cannot be improved. I think it's okay to actually say, "To hell with your feelings, this character has major anatomical problems and NO I am not going to excuse them as 'Your Style'".

For you people who don't think you are "Qualified", that is a lame excuse. Everybody is qualified to offer an opinion or a suggestion. It doesn't matter if you can comment on the technical aspects of the finer points of the anatomy of the common sparrow or quote quantum physics while sipping tea, the fact of the matter is that you are perfectly capable of saying what you like, what you done like, and even suggesting something that you'd like to see next time from an artist.

Hell, you could just take the time to point out the best parts for that matter. I mean, exactly what does "Great Job" really do as feedback anyway? How about 'Nothing'?

Don't be afraid to be the one person who stands out from the sycophantic crowd who are busy commenting while on cruise control.

You people who "don't know any better", I don't think I can help you.

I suspect that you've fallen completely into the trap of commenting just to comment, and I doubt you are actually seeing the artwork. Oh, you're certainly looking at it, but it's probably more like the way you look at a billboard by the side of the road when you're traveling at highway speeds. Out of the corner of your eye. At night. In the fog.

Maybe we should all take a week to look at the way we look at the Art around here, at the way we offer our feedback and even if we are offering anything in the first place. Do those cats up there represent you when you leave or read some feedback?

You have the ability to critique, guide, advise, suggest and spark entire new ideas just by saying something with a little thought invested in it. Are you wasting it?

I've said it before numerous time and I'll close with the same statement;

Stagnation kills; an artist who isn't moving forward is essentially dead.



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pikachufan101 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2016  Professional General Artist
If you want to see an example of a good critique, look at mine on Looking To The Future by pichu90. I've got too much work to do.  :painter: revision  fella thinking ( Reactions ) Gallery Touch It :blemish: :gallery: rvmp Mew Da Vinci Fella (Artists) :Constructive: :color: Idle Fella - Featured and Favourites (Reactions) Hope This Helps Sign 
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BrookRiver Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I tend to sit there thinking about all the good and bad of a picture, and then leave a brainless comment anyways because everyone else does or I can't phrase it in a way that makes me comfortable...I think I should try harder.
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XkatarinaXILSB Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012
Sadly I think seeing more and more people whine about getting truthful critiques has made me lost the will to write half of them. And apparently I write comments way too long for people to read >.> like, really?
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2010  Student General Artist
This is amazing. I agree with it all the way. It's been used on my stamp's artists comment to promote it [link]
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Madd-D Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're right, and I agree with you. But sometimes it is in someone's style for the anatomy to be a bit different, such as the character having large hards, big hair, ect. The plain fact is that we all look at art differently and look for different things in them. It's because of this that sometimes we fear saying the wrong thing will upset the artist, so most of the time we just tell them what we like about it and nothing else. I have to say I'm still young in the age of art and I'm still learning, and I've never recieved any good, honest critique. Thank you for posting this journal, maybe you can change a few people. :hmm:
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Fishchimes Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2009
I admit to being guilty of saying things like "Good job I like it" ^^; But when I can I do try give good opinions :3

Mostly I try to comment most of what I look at, no matter how suckish it is, because people don't comment me very often (not turning into a whining rant here okay lol), and sometimes I wish I got a few more comments, you know, just telling me what I could improve on or what they liked... So I try to comment people who don't have many comments. Do unto others <3
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Koushoku-jin Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd love to share this Journal around -- I hope it'll be ok
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sachamp45 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2009  Student Digital Artist
You make a valid point. And your wording almost makes me cry. It is so beautiful, it's like poetry. Very amazing. Will you make this into a deviation? I'd love to favorite it.
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sadisticlolita13 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2008
My commenting pattern follows the rules of a sporting coach I once heard. Start with positive, talk about what can be improved, end with positive. I'm mentally incapable at being completely negative, and sometimes need to remember that people aren't so sensitive that they can't take completely positive comments. While I don't always leave something hugely useful, I'm proud that I've never written a comment that was less than five words.
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Dajs Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That last sentence is SO going into my signature :P
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e-CJ Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2008
Thank you for writing this. It is one of those times when it would be nice to be able to fave a journal. Are you making this into a news article by any chance?

:iconblankspaceplz::iconcj-5plz::iconcj-6plz: [link] & [link] :iconcj-7plz::iconcj-8plz:

I just created two stamps and these related plz icons that can be used in deviation comments and messages attached to a similar journal entry. Feel free to use & spread and please do let me know if you submit this as a news article so I can fave it.

Have a great day! :boogie:
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HoudVanKunst Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2008
that is totally true. and you even wrote it hilariously. you are a good writer.

yeah, i completely agree with your whole journal entry. people need to stop being airheads and actually post a useful comment once in a while. it's like at school when i'm writing a paper or drawing a project for school. when i ask "how can i improve?" i get responses like "i dunno." "idk" "what do i look like, an art critic" "i don't care" "whatever you want"

and above all, the most annoying comments that "ohh, there is nothing to improve because you are just WONDERFUL!" well, lah dee friggin duh, no one's perfect so don't try to tell me that i or anyone else is. and, we need constructive comments. do you really think someone will work days on end just to get a virtual pat on the back?

and despite what people tell you that this "journal entry sucks" don't believe them. that is just bull. it's a free country, and you should be proud to state your opinions. i know i am, and, from the looks of this outtake on society, you are too.


CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM IS MORE THAN JUST A COMMENT; IT'S NUTURES AND MATURES THE ARTISTIC SOUL.
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Vilecat Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2008
I usually don't post any comment if I know i'll just end up saying "nice work!"

Or if I do, I point exactly why I think it's so damn gorgeous. I didn't run into any problems of that kind on dA, but I did on other sites and with friends (both online and IRL).

I'm guilty on +fav'ing works without leaving a message. I swear I do comment on some of those people's later works and/or post on their wall though =x
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joydom Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008
Critique is a strange animal. It comes from the same roots as 'critic' and 'criticize', whose negative connotations may be incorrect. It's true though that I've never given a comment that wasn't positive so far on devArt and often just don't say anything about those pieces I don't like or understand... but I wouldn't trust the general public to gauge the quality my art or have that much input in its development (haha, not that I have any work to speak of right now).
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julimikage Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2008
I was referred to this post by dygel. And I'm so glad!

This is what I complained so much about in art school. Critique, to know what I'm doing right, and what I'm doing wrong. Critiquing OTHER people's art helped me learn!

And it also helped me figure out what my style WAS, to tell you the truth. Because when a group of 20 saw my art over and over, they see trends that I could never see. And all my teachers talked about how amazingly I've progressed because of that. I take criticism hard, but I understand how necessary it is.

Every deviant needs to read this! Maybe this community could actually become a COMMUNITY and GO SOMEWHERE! I've been a member since 2002, and I've felt like it's just gotten more of a popularity contest. I even left for a long while because of it. Something brought be back just in time to read dygel's wonderful post, and I'm so glad to see that DA is someplace I can continue to grow with.
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realitysquared Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you make a pretty good point about figuring out your own style.

Too many people try to shoehorn themselves into a style they like, such as manga and anime, when in fact they just aren't cut out for it and other people get trapped in a repetitiveness that you literally need to slap them out of because they are blind that the rut they are stuck in is achieving some real depth.

Critique is such a good tool for getting people on the right path.
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julimikage Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2008
I just remembered that a long time ago there was a "Comment Revolution". It's actually still in my signature (wow...how old that signature is!) I doubt there's been much talk about it since 2004, but it was along these lines if I remember correctly.

Revolution makes the world improve, so why not DA?

Thank you again for such a thorough approach to critique. If only everyone had to read it.
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Osa-Art-Farm Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
I hope you read this also oops, I posted to your main page and I meant to respond here at this journal. Look if you can [link]
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Wildeye Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
I agree! However, I don't mind getting the "good job" thing now and then, because I give them. Sometimes I have nothing to say, sometimes I don't see anything wrong, and sometimes I just like a piece and want to say so. I'm almost to the point where I don't want to fave OR comment because I see so many good artists ranting about "goddammit can't you leave a comment you lazy bastards," or "can't you say something more than 'I like it?!?!'" Some days I can't work my brain up into critique mode.

As for receiving, I find vapid comments to be addictive, unfortunately. I did get one purely constructive crit and it shocked me so bad I almost got offended, and then I was very pleased. I guess I don't mind either way, though the con-crit thing is a breath of fresh air.

I dunno, I guess I wish people would stop getting so dramatic either way.

Doesn't mean I think journal entries like this are "drama" though. It seems like you need to post it once a month or something as a reminder!
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Blacklotuscomic Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Very true :) been bashed by lasaro's fanbase once, and never gave any critique again. (simply because i'd rather not spend days explaining myself why I gave this godly figure critique) The very reason I came to DA was to grow, and get better by trial, error and help from others. That last part dissapeared over the years...

Educated in the academics of art, I still find it hard to believe that DA is full of underage pussies that can't make a difference between an illustrator, graphic designer and an artist (for gods sake, not everyone who can hold a pencil can draw and is an artist) Your journal spills out the truth.
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Billdrastal Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
I work for a caricature stand at Universal Studios in Hollywood, after doing live caricatures for 6 years you really learn just how subjective art is. You could draw your best, all your fellow artists will say how awesome it is ,and pat you on the back for your skill. And then the customer will rip it up and toss it back in your face. You'll do you're worst piece and the customer will praise you as the next Da Vinci and tip you like crazy. Art is always subjective.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I don't really see an issue with someone just saying "nice" our "that's awesome" . Granted it is great when you get a more in-depth comment, but there's nothing wrong with just saying "Wow, I like that" I mean if they don't like then no one says anything.

I agree with a lot of what your saying, about people using the guise of "critiques" to just berate art they don't like. I personally don't like nit picky critiques, when some one goes through and corrects all your grammar and punctuation, or nit picks how a perfectly done perspective shot would look, etc. But I have no control over what other people do. Bottom line, this is an online community, filled with artists at varying years of experience, different tastes, some are professional, some are just doing it for a hobby. You're going to find differing views, tastes and opinions. Art is subjective, just because someone doesn't like something doesn't mean its bad, and that's a concept all artists deal with. I feel if you're an artist really really looking for a genuine critique, take matters into your own hands, find an artist you respect, and ask THEM directly for a critique. Just leaving it the responsibility of everyone else is kinda stupid, because you're going to probably just get people saying "wow I like that" "or they won't say anything at all.
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Adella Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
Honestly?

I'm thrilled to read this journal entry. I couldn't agree more. I'm not exactly innocent of some of the crimes--I am only human (and a woman :X) But I'm still behind this 100%!

I get annoyed when people leave stupid remarks like "I don't like short skirts!" when it's a drawing of a woman in a short skirt. that's not a critique. Or "I don't like that this pic is ____ kissing ____. It should be ______ kissing _____ instead!" Those kinds of things annoy me. They are not critiques.

My art is sub-par at best, and what I truly want is GOOD constructive criticism.. but often times I never find it. Sometimes I feel that it doesn't exist.

"GREAT!" "COOL!" "NICE!" I would prefer people just not comment at all. When I leave comments on people's art, I try to express why I like it, what about the art struck me enough to make me comment. I wish people would return the favor once in a while... it's always appreciated.

You seem to overlord all of the whiney harassment claims that go through DA. Lord knows I've seen enough "$realitysquared "We've dealt with your problem thnx for reporting it kk gtfo" messages in my inbox. Maybe you might recognize my name?... Who knows.. but I'm a good girl! My harassment claims I send in are always valid :D! They're usually just stupid trolls from Encyclopedia Dramatica who specifically make accounts to flame my page, but they're still meriting banination. I make sure not to waste the admins time. I know pretty much how you guys feel...but on a slightly lesser level with admining Cosplay.com from the shadows. Wading through petty squabbles is always gun-in-mouth inducing.
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Pics-by-Kat Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2008
I had worked at a photography studio with a girl once that the boss just loved! She was snotty, arrogant, and really just a fake person. Before I met her I thought she was a pretty decent photographer as far as school photography goes, so I came across her DA account one day, looked through her gallery and such and left what I thought was constuctive criticism. Well, apparently I wasn't one of her "friends" so my opinion was obviously not true, because ALL her friends just loved her work.

These younger photographers rely too much on their friends opinions. It's like a popularity contest to see which one of them can take the better pictures.
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lenden Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2008  Professional General Artist
Omg! Great!


... Sorry. ^-^ Anyway, I'm quite happy someone got the words out as well as you have. I like it when people leave actual critizism, because it actually helps me as an artist, I LIKE improving my art! *laughter*
I got nothin' more to say, because I can't take the time to think about it. That'd be too much work. ^-^
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leafbarrett Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2008  Student Artist
I agree with a lot of what you say. Unfortunately, I often can't figure out what I'm trying to say in my praise, so I end up just having to post "Great job"... >_< I don't pull punches for fear of hurting someone's feelings, or I try not to pull punches. If I see something wrong, I'll point it out, plain and simple.
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Osa-Art-Farm Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2008
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startling-light Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2008
There should be a journal faving system, cause some journals are brilliant. Critique is rare around here, and generic comments are everywhere. I agree with you, and I'll make more of an effort to critique and make well-written comments.
By the way, have you read ~netnessie's CRITIQUE IS DEAD?
It's similar to this, and I think you'll find it an interesting read.
Thanks for this journal (:
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RisingManes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2008
Your journal killed me. >.< But don't worry. I don't matter anyway.

What? You want to know what killed me? Okay, I'll tell you. The last part. It frustrates me to now know what I live for.

I dunno. It only felt right to say something that disagrees to this journal. I've read things like this before. I believe I've seen it all. To be reminded of it is not to my liking.
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PinkPetunia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
As I'm sure has been said: I wish DA allowed the favorite of journals, because this is incredible, insightful, and inspiring. To me anyway.

Out of nothing more then laziness do I rarely comment of anything. When I do, however, it's usually on either

A) Things I really love, in which case I always try and point out what specifically I like about it (technique, composition, colors, etcetera), and how I think it might be improved, when applicable.

B) When someone I know more personally has submitted something I want to encourage, or feel could be improved.

or. . .

C) On a miscat. I never know if it's appropriot, but when I see an obvious miscat, I try to comment and tell the person so they know what's going on, before I alert a GD (trying to save the team some time I suppose).

But still, I hardly ever comment on anything, so I can't really talk.

One point I think should be made, however, is the responses given to actual critique or constructive suggestions. While I always try to reply to comments on my art that say "Great job!" or "That's awesome!", I give more time and thought in replies of thanks to comments with helpful suggestions, praise, or critique, and I think that's something that could also be concentrated on were there to be a sort of education week on commenting and critiquing (which, for the record, I find to be a fantastic idea).

Just my thoughts. I've always found it easier to encourage people to critique more and better when they are thanked and in some cases praised for doing it well. Cheers!
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chinaroses Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Critique is half the reason I'm here.

Jess
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LovittGirl Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
I really appreciate it when I get constructive feedback that actually helps me improve, that makes me stop and think about my work. I've learned just about everything I know from just experimenting and getting feedback from DA artists. The vacuous positive comments always make me wonder if they are looking at anything other than my boobs, and the snarky negative comments without explanations or advice don't help me move forward.
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Helewidis Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008   Photographer
I wish we could rate comments again. I remember seeing more real critiques back then. or maybe I'm blind? I can't remember the last time I gave one - nor got one, btw.

I think devwatching more than 1600 has ruined it for my side a lil bit. *ponders about undevwatching*

what do you think?
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realitysquared Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
I remember way back seven and eight years ago you used to be able to get meaningful comments and opinions all the time, but the site and the community was smaller and closer knit then.

Now it seems all the newer, younger deviants want from people are pageviews and devwatches so a lot of then are simply commenting via the copy & paste method so they can hit as big a spread as possible hoping to attract a little attention to themselves.
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Helewidis Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008   Photographer
yes, I remember that time, too. this isn't my first account, you know? :flirty:

and that's why I think to implement the rating of comments could help. I don't know why they were taken away, perhaps some problem arose?
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TreLore Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
So truly spoken
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lemontea Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
Well said. :)
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jeriweaver Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Nice! Thats an awesome article =)

Though in order to get people to listen you have to tie in your editorial with information on how critiquing will raise their page views to a million.
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TreuVonTrapp Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008   Writer
Great journal, I hope people read it and realize what they're doing wrong, or how to do right, or whatever.
I'd sadly gotten into the habit of not commenting on something if I didn't like it just because I didn't want to 'be mean' or whatever... but I think I'll try actually critiquing for a change. heh.
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vaniergt89 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
Props for the journal man, this is my frame of mind on (digital) paper. As one who considers themselves able to give an "advanced" critique, I shudder at the rep critiquing has gotten here on da. "hey your scrappy-doodle on loose-leaf is amazing! I love how it looks nothing like the character you were going for! Great job!" is NOT a critique. You lose.

Although I would add one point to your wonderful prose here, there are MANY good resources and deviants here that people can easily learn from. What is stopping everyone from learning how to critique? Because whats the point of art is you can't actually Think about it?
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newklear Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Professional General Artist
Essentially, society's role in opinion-making is a lost artform, and has been for quite a while now. The "consume" we're fed at every possible outlet in our lives doesn't do much to help this trend, we're taught to appreciate mediocrity and to never step out of line and say, "Hey, actually, I think this is pretty shit to be honest." In doing so poeople are seen as being either batshit insane, or simply out to follow some kind of pseudo counter-culture. Also, artforms where mediocrity is celebrated because true talent for the form is rare does little to curb this trend. Yes, I'm referring to anime and anthro directly as the main offenders here. As anyone who's been on the site can attest, the major "boom" of both of those artforms coincided almost perfectly with the sharp decline in useful commenting and criticism worth actually being paid attention to. As David Byrne famously said in the song, "Psycho Killer", "You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything". And so, the wheel turns.

Some of the burden I feel has to fall onto the site's nature itself, because it as-yet has really pushed to put emphasis on quality commenting. Personally I'd like to see something like a DD sort of thing highlighting quality commenting, and not necessarily at a professional level - just commenting that rings of truth and actually says something worth listening to. Also, what ever happened to the comment rating system, a-là dAv2/3? Something like that where we can rate posts and give outstanding/quality commenting preference over, for lack of a better term, utter shit commenting would be ideal because it doesn't censor anyone's right to comment, it demonstrates the importance of using what we've been given to the fullest extent we can.


Who knows, maybe someday it will be worth commenting meaningfully again. I guess we'll have to see how it pans out and pray for reprieve from stagnation.
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vacuumslayer Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I love the idea of a DD for commenting. I think it could be both fun and instructive...and perhaps a just the gentle nudge folks need to actually *say* something in their comments.
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Raephire Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008   Writer
As long as people arent taking cheap shots and are explaining how a person could improve their art. Criticism can be taken as constructive.
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jrennie1984 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008
this was again another useful jornal - I have to admit lots of times i feel intimadated to comment something negative because I know I personally have a lot to learn about art and maybe I just presume everyone is prob better than me anway. However if i see a piece i really don't like i tend to just say nothing rather than risk insulting someone.

Your jornal made me think twice though about maybe trying to say something and it could end up being helpful.

I also get very irritated with teh recent comments on my stock account that say I have a nice arse or great breasts - thats really not what a stock account is about but i guess there will always be people who are going to coment nudes that way.

Jools
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AnthonyShea Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i have recently disabled comments due to the generic comment syndrome you've mentioned above. i think i have received two crits on pieces since i have been on DA. i try not to be generic if i am going to leave a comment, at least tell someone why i like their piece. if i find myself just fumbling around mentally looking for a comment i just don't leave one. i will admit that my fave to comments ratio is rather high, but i would before to show my pleasure with a piece with a :+fav: than a meaningless comment that the artist has to respond to and wont help their piece climb the popular system to be discovered by even more people.

i also agree with your statement of "Stagnation kills; an artist who isn't moving forward is essentially dead." i really feel this way about myself as well
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tmpst24myst Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Student Writer
We seriously need :+fave: journals :heart:
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Cinestress Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Professional General Artist
I agree with this comment.
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newklear Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Professional General Artist
Ahhhh, but why do you agree with it? What strikes you as being worthy of your agreement? ;)
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Cinestress Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008  Professional General Artist
Because I find myself thinking it often. Just think, if we could favorite journal entries, people would know that we think similarly to the people that posted them. Or we just really like the way a person writes... But usually when I would want to favorite a journal entry, it's because I have had similar thoughts as the writer.

Is that good enough for you? :P
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empty-phantom-stock Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
This journal expresses exactly what I feel everytime I put "Advance Critique" on my stock and end up getting pleasantries such as "looks nice" or "good job" or even worse, when my stock gets downloaded or favorited or what have you with no comment at all.

How hard is it to say something? I'm not seeking to have my heart ripped out or anything, but some constructive criticism would be nice. How can anyone improve if pretty words and ideas are constantly shoved down their throats? Pretty absurd to think that anyone will ever change their "style" if no one tells them what could be improved.

It doesn't have to be nice, it doesn't have to be sugar coated. It also doesn't have to be mean. It just has to be honest.
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Wildeye Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
I'm afraid I'm guilty of fav'ing without comment because a lot of time I don't have anything useful to say at all. If I leave a "great job" on someone's work, I actually mean it and I have nothing else to say. Unfortunately, I also know that that phrase has become totally meaningless due to its overuse around here.

I agree, honest crit would be nice.
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